lesser hippias- 第3部分

（Socrates'　feeling　about　arguments）：　　compare　Republic　（Socrates　not

unthankful）：　　compare　Republic　（Socrates　dishonest　in　argument）。



The　Lesser　Hippias；　though　inferior　to　the　other　dialogues；　may　be

reasonably　believed　to　have　been　written　by　Plato；　on　the　ground　（1）　of

considerable　excellence；　（2）　of　uniform　tradition　beginning　with　Aristotle

and　his　school。　　That　the　dialogue　falls　below　the　standard　of　Plato's

other　works；　or　that　he　has　attributed　to　Socrates　an　unmeaning　paradox

（perhaps　with　the　view　of　showing　that　he　could　beat　the　Sophists　at　their

own　weapons；　or　that　he　could　'make　the　worse　appear　the　better　cause'；　or

merely　as　a　dialectical　experiment）are　not　sufficient　reasons　for

doubting　the　genuineness　of　the　work。





LESSER　HIPPIAS　



by



Plato　（see　Appendix　I　above）



Translated　by　Benjamin　Jowett。





PERSONS　OF　THE　DIALOGUE：　　Eudicus；　Socrates；　Hippias。





EUDICUS：　　Why　are　you　silent；　Socrates；　after　the　magnificent　display　which

Hippias　has　been　making？　　Why　do　you　not　either　refute　his　words；　if　he

seems　to　you　to　have　been　wrong　in　any　point；　or　join　with　us　in　commending

him？　　There　is　the　more　reason　why　you　should　speak；　because　we　are　now

alone；　and　the　audience　is　confined　to　those　who　may　fairly　claim　to　take

part　in　a　philosophical　discussion。



SOCRATES：　　I　should　greatly　like；　Eudicus；　to　ask　Hippias　the　meaning　of

what　he　was　saying　just　now　about　Homer。　　I　have　heard　your　father；

Apemantus；　declare　that　the　Iliad　of　Homer　is　a　finer　poem　than　the　Odyssey

in　the　same　degree　that　Achilles　was　a　better　man　than　Odysseus；　Odysseus；

he　would　say；　is　the　central　figure　of　the　one　poem　and　Achilles　of　the

other。　　Now；　I　should　like　to　know；　if　Hippias　has　no　objection　to　tell　me；

what　he　thinks　about　these　two　heroes；　and　which　of　them　he　maintains　to　be

the　better；　he　has　already　told　us　in　the　course　of　his　exhibition　many

things　of　various　kinds　about　Homer　and　divers　other　poets。



EUDICUS：　　I　am　sure　that　Hippias　will　be　delighted　to　answer　anything　which

you　would　like　to　ask；　tell　me；　Hippias；　if　Socrates　asks　you　a　question；

will　you　answer　him？



HIPPIAS：　　Indeed；　Eudicus；　I　should　be　strangely　inconsistent　if　I　refused

to　answer　Socrates；　when　at　each　Olympic　festival；　as　I　went　up　from　my

house　at　Elis　to　the　temple　of　Olympia；　where　all　the　Hellenes　were

assembled；　I　continually　professed　my　willingness　to　perform　any　of　the

exhibitions　which　I　had　prepared；　and　to　answer　any　questions　which　any　one

had　to　ask。



SOCRATES：　　Truly；　Hippias；　you　are　to　be　congratulated；　if　at　every　Olympic

festival　you　have　such　an　encouraging　opinion　of　your　own　wisdom　when　you

go　up　to　the　temple。　　I　doubt　whether　any　muscular　hero　would　be　so

fearless　and　confident　in　offering　his　body　to　the　combat　at　Olympia；　as

you　are　in　offering　your　mind。



HIPPIAS：　　And　with　good　reason；　Socrates；　for　since　the　day　when　I　first

entered　the　lists　at　Olympia　I　have　never　found　any　man　who　was　my　superior

in　anything。　　（Compare　Gorgias。）



SOCRATES：　　What　an　ornament；　Hippias；　will　the　reputation　of　your　wisdom　be

to　the　city　of　Elis　and　to　your　parents！　　But　to　return：　　what　say　you　of

Odysseus　and　Achilles？　　Which　is　the　better　of　the　two？　and　in　what

particular　does　either　surpass　the　other？　　For　when　you　were　exhibiting　and

there　was　company　in　the　room；　though　I　could　not　follow　you；　I　did　not

like　to　ask　what　you　meant；　because　a　crowd　of　people　were　present；　and　I

was　afraid　that　the　question　might　interrupt　your　exhibition。　　But　now　that

there　are　not　so　many　of　us；　and　my　friend　Eudicus　bids　me　ask；　I　wish　you

would　tell　me　what　you　were　saying　about　these　two　heroes；　so　that　I　may

clearly　understand；　how　did　you　distinguish　them？



HIPPIAS：　　I　shall　have　much　pleasure；　Socrates；　in　explaining　to　you　more

clearly　than　I　could　in　public　my　views　about　these　and　also　about　other

heroes。　　I　say　that　Homer　intended　Achilles　to　be　the　bravest　of　the　men

who　went　to　Troy；　Nestor　the　wisest；　and　Odysseus　the　wiliest。



SOCRATES：　　O　rare　Hippias；　will　you　be　so　good　as　not　to　laugh；　if　I　find　a

difficulty　in　following　you；　and　repeat　my　questions　several　times　over？　

Please　to　answer　me　kindly　and　gently。



HIPPIAS：　　I　should　be　greatly　ashamed　of　myself；　Socrates；　if　I；　who　teach

others　and　take　money　of　them；　could　not；　when　I　was　asked　by　you；　answer

in　a　civil　and　agreeable　manner。



SOCRATES：　　Thank　you：　　the　fact　is；　that　I　seemed　to　understand　what　you

meant　when　you　said　that　the　poet　intended　Achilles　to　be　the　bravest　of

men；　and　also　that　he　intended　Nestor　to　be　the　wisest；　but　when　you　said

that　he　meant　Odysseus　to　be　the　wiliest；　I　must　confess　that　I　could　not

understand　what　you　were　saying。　　Will　you　tell　me；　and　then　I　shall

perhaps　understand　you　better；　has　not　Homer　made　Achilles　wily？



HIPPIAS：　　Certainly　not；　Socrates；　he　is　the　most　straight…forward　of

mankind；　and　when　Homer　introduces　them　talking　with　one　another　in　the

passage　called　the　Prayers；　Achilles　is　supposed　by　the　poet　to　say　to

Odysseus：



'Son　of　Laertes；　sprung　from　heaven；　crafty　Odysseus；　I　will　speak　out

plainly　the　word　which　I　intend　to　carry　out　in　act；　and　which　will；　I

believe；　be　accomplished。　　For　I　hate　him　like　the　gates　of　death　who

thinks　one　thing　and　says　another。　　But　I　will　speak　that　which　shall　be

accomplished。'



Now；　in　these　verses　he　clearly　indicates　the　character　of　the　two　men；　he

shows　Achilles　to　be　true　and　simple；　and　Odysseus　to　be　wily　and　false；

for　he　supposes　Achilles　to　be　addressing　Odysseus　in　these　lines。



SOCRATES：　　Now；　Hippias；　I　think　that　I　understand　your　meaning；　when　you

say　that　Odysseus　is　wily；　you　clearly　mean　that　he　is　false？



HIPPIAS：　　Exactly　so；　Socrates；　it　is　the　character　of　Odysseus；　as　he　is

represented　by　Homer　in　many　passages　both　of　the　Iliad　and　Odyssey。



SOCRATES：　　And　Homer　must　be　presumed　to　have　meant　that　the　true　man　is

not　the　same　as　the　false？



HIPPIAS：　　Of　course；　Socrates。



SOCRATES：　　And　is　that　your　own　opinion；　Hippias？



HIPPIAS：　　Certainly；　how　can　I　have　any　other？



SOCRATES：　　Well；　then；　as　there　is　no　possibility　of　asking　Homer　what　he

meant　in　these　verses　of　his；　let　us　leave　him；　but　as　you　show　a

willingness　to　take　up　his　cause；　and　your　opinion　agrees　with　what　you

declare　to　be　his；　will　you　answer　on　behalf　of　yourself　and　him？



HIPPIAS：　　I　will；　ask　shortly　anything　which　you　like。



SOCRATES：　　Do　you　say　that　the　false；　like　the　sick；　have　no　power　to　do

things；　or　that　they　have　the　power　to　do　things？



HIPPIAS：　　I　should　say　that　they　have　power　to　do　many　things；　and　in

particular　to　deceive　mankind。



SOCRATES：　　Then；　according　to　you；　they　are　both　powerful　and　wily；　are

they　not？



HIPPIAS：　　Yes。



SOCRATES：　　And　are　they　wily；　and　do　they　deceive　by　reason　of　their

simplicity　and　folly；　or　by　reason　of　their　cunning　and　a　certain　sort　of

prudence？




HIPPIAS：　By　reason　of　their　cunning　and　prudence；　most　certainly。　



SOCRATES：　　Then　they　are　prudent；　I　suppose？



HIPPIAS：　　So　they　arevery。



SOCRATES：　　And　if　they　are　prudent；　do　they　know　or　do　they　not　know　what

they　do？



HIPPIAS：　　Of　course；　they　know　very　well；　and　that　is　why　they　do　mischief

to　others。



SOCRATES：　　And　having　this　knowledge；　are　they　ignorant；　or　are　they　wise？



HIPPIAS：　　Wise；　certainly；　at　least；　in　so　far　as　they　can　deceive。



SOCRATES：　　Stop；　and　let　us　recall　to　mind　what　you　are　saying；　are　you　not

saying　that　the　false　are　powerful　and　prudent　and　knowing　and　wise　in

those　things　about　which　they　are　false？



HIPPIAS：　　To　be　sure。



SOCRATES：　　And　the　true　differ　from　the　falsethe　true　and　the　false　are

the　very　opposite　of　each　other？



HIPPIAS：　　That　is　my　view。



SOCRATES：　　Then；　according　to　your　view；　it　would　seem　that　the　false　are

to　be　ranked　in　the　class　of　the　powerful　and　wise？



HIPPIAS：　　Assuredly。



SOCRATES：　　And　when　you　say　that　the　false　are　powerful　and　wise　in　so　far

as　they　are　false；　do　you　mean　that　they　have　or　have　not　the　power　of

uttering　their　falsehoods　if　they　like？



HIPPIAS：　　I　mean　to　say　that　they　have　the　power。



SOCRATES：　　In　a　word；　then；　the　false　are　they　who　are　wise　and　have　the

power　to　speak　falsely？



HIPPIAS：　　Yes。



SOCRATES：　　Then　a　man　who　has　not　the　power　of　speaking　falsely　and　is

ignorant　cannot　be　false？



HIPPIAS：　　You　are　right。



SOCRATES：　　And　every　man　has　power　who　does　that　which　he　wishes　at　the

time　when　he　wishes。　　I　am　not　speaking　of　any　special　case　in　which　he　is

prevented　by　disease　or　something　of　that　sort；　but　I　am　speaking

generally；　as　I　might　say　of　you；　that　you　are　able　to　write　my　name　when

you　like。　　Would　you　not　call　a　man　able　who　could　do　that？



HIPPIAS：　　Yes。



SOCRATES：　　And　tell　me；　Hippias；　are　you　not　a　skilful　calculator　and

arithmetician？



HIPPIAS：　　Yes；　Socrates；　assuredly　I　am。



SOCRATES：　　And　if　some　one　were　to　ask　you　what　is　the　sum　of　3　multiplied

by　700；　you　would　tell　him　the　true　answer　in　a　moment；　if　you　pleased？



HIPPIAS：　　certainly　I　should。



SOCRATES：　　Is　not　that　because　you　are　the　wisest　and　ablest　of　men　in

these　matters？



HIPPIAS：　　Yes。



SOCRATES：　　And　being　as　you　are　the　wisest　and　ablest　of　men　in　these

matters　of　calculation；　are　you　not　also　the　best？



HIPPIAS：　　To　be　sure；　Socrates；　I　am　the　best。



SOCRATES：　　And　therefore　you　would　be　the　most　able　to　tell　the　truth　about

these　matters；　would　you　not？



HIPPIAS：　　Yes；　I　should。



SOCRATES：　　And　could　you　speak　falsehoods　about　them　equally　well？　　I　must

beg；　Hippias；　that　you　will　answer　me　with　the　same　frankness　and

magnanimity　which　has　hitherto　characterized　you。　　If　a　person　were　to　ask

you　what　is　the　sum　of　3　multiplied　by　700；　would　not